Swami Roberto, the new Italian Avatar

 

 

 

Date: 03-04-03

From: editors of www.exbaba.com

It seems that being an Avatar is going to be very popular in he world, Swami Roberto has already gained an vast amount of popularity amongst his devotees.

Visit:

http://www.animauniversale.it/index_e.html

http://www.animauniversale.it/en/maestro.php

http://www.animauniversale.it/en/fotomr.php

Here are some reports on Swami Roberto:

From: "ouiare1" ouiare1@yahoo.com
Date: Mon Dec 16, 2002  6:01 am
Subject: About Roberto

A detail about Roberto: since he's a children he cures people, and the Catholic church appreciated him a lot, saying he was the spiritual son of Padre Pio. But a few years ago Roberto declared that God is incarnated on Earth as Sathya Sai Baba, and the church "fired" him (so he made Anima Universale).
I will end with a little story: A few month ago a large group of Italian Baba devotees went to see
Swami with a few people from Anima Universale (in which there was Roberto's mother). During the Darshan Swami stopped front of Roberto's mother and said loudly with Roberto's voice (!) "Roberto is Baba, and Baba is Roberto".

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From: "Riccardo"
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002  1:46 p.m.
Subject: Italian Swami

I'd like to share with you how I've personally got a great evidence of this reality in last September, during a conference held by Swami Roberto in Assisi. There was also Silvia Mazzoleni (the widow of the dear Mario) which well knows Swami Roberto. After the conference I was looking at Swami's green-like-the-ocean eyes and I was diving in them with my thoughts. Suddenly, His eyes and His face changed, he was looking exactly like Baba for some long seconds. I was feeling a deep blessedness and I fully understood that Him and Sai are actually different Forms of the same Unique spiritual Reality.
 
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I wonder if Silvia Mazzoleni will confirm this ...

In sathyasaibabaexposeforum@yahoogroups.com, "Jay" dark_knight_9@yahoo.com

wrote: Swami Roberto, the Italian Avatar.

http://www.animauniversale.it/index_e.html

http://www.animauniversale.it/en/maestro.php

http://www.animauniversale.it/en/fotomr.php

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Comments from Riccardo on "Swami Roberto, the new Italian Avatar"

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Anima Universale

To: andrieskd@yahoo.com

Cc: ex-baba@hetnet.nl

Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 3:36 PM

Subject: ex-baba: Swami Roberto

Hi Andries,

this is Riccardo again.

I've just visited the page:

ex-baba/engels/shortnews/roberto.html

I've noticed that you are the webmaster of that web site so I'd like to spend a few words on your quotation of mine:

From: "Riccardo" 
Date: Thu Dec 19, 2002  1:46 p.m.
Subject: Italian Swami

I'd like to share with you how I've personally got a great evidence of this reality in last September, during a conference held by Swami Roberto in Assisi. There was also Silvia Mazzoleni (the widow of the dear Mario) which well knows Swami Roberto. After the conference I was looking at Swami's green-like-the-ocean eyes and I was diving in them with my thoughts. Suddenly, His eyes and His face changed, he was looking exactly like Baba for some long seconds. I was feeling a deep blessedness and I fully understood that Him and Sai are actually different Forms of the same Unique spiritual Reality.
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I wonder if Silvia Mazzoleni will confirm this ...

I think my message was clear enough, but it seems you've misunderstood my words.

So I'm here to clarify, and this is the evidence of my sincerity.

I wrote that Silvia Mazzoleni was in Assisi and she well knows Swami Roberto: that is undoubtedly true.

The rest of the message describes a personal experience of myself, as I stated

("After the conference I was looking at Swami's green-like-the-ocean eyes .... ").

I am sure of what I personally saw, and that is exactly what I've written.

I didn't write that anybody else has had the same experience. So, there is no need for confirmation.

There is also the quotation of another person saying:

"a few years ago Roberto declared that God is incarnated on Earth as Sathya Sai Baba, and the church "fired" him (so he made Anima Universale)..."

That is not exact. The reality of the facts is stated by both some books and many priests I met.

Roberto has never pronounced those words.

The catholic Church ended its dialogue with Roberto after he declared that being God The Omnipresent, He is everybody's Father and He is not property of any religions.

That's why he founded the Universal Soul for everybody of any religions and cultures. It is a Movement for Spiritual Union and charitable works and it is not a new religion, because it is based on the will of Loving instead of hating. Love is God and God Is always. He cannot be new or old.

Dear Andries,

I kindly ask you to remove your comment about Silvia Mazzoleni as it is out of place, or, at least, to add this message to my quotation, so that the readers can see the whole story.

I rely on your conscience.

Thank you very much.

Greetings.

Riccardo

 


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The answer from Sanjay Dadlani to Riccardo

 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sanjay Dadlani" dark_knight_9@yahoo.com

To: webmaster@animauniversale.it

Cc: ex-baba@hetnet.nl; sathyasaibabaexposeforum@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:28 AM

Subject: Re: ex-baba: Swami Roberto

Dear Riccardo,

I just now noticed your letter to Andries Kruger-Dagneaux, dated Wednesday 5th March, published online at the ExBaba.Com website regarding your mail of 19th December 2002 about Swami Roberto.

Link:

ex-baba/engels/shortnews/roberto.html#comments

I would like to inform you that it was none other than myself who made that side-comment about Silvia Mazzoleni. It was not out of sarcasm or spite, rather it was out of a genuine interest for a truthful confirmation. Having been a dedicated devotee of Sathya Sai Baba for over ten years, I am more than familiar with several instances of propaganda and embellishment of events that have seemingly served only to enhance the 'glory' of Sai Baba.

Indeed, I am discovering more and more of these instances, and doubtless I shall discover more in the future.

You wrote:

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"So I'm here to clarify, and this is the evidence of my sincerity. I wrote that Silvia Mazzoleni was in Assisi and she well knows Swami Roberto: that is undoubtedly true."

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Thank you for confirming that Silvia Mazzoleni is aware of Swami Roberto, the "Italian Avatar." Perhaps a more precise question should be: Does she accept the supposed divinity of Swami Roberto and/or accept him as some sort of 'agent' of Sathya Sai Baba of Puttaparthi?

This was the motivation behind my original question, though admittedly it could have been worded better.

You then wrote:

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"There is also the quotation of another person saying:

'a few years ago Roberto declared that God is incarnated on Earth as Sathya Sai Baba, and the church "fired" him (so he made Anima Universale)...'

"That is not exact. The reality of the facts is stated by both some books and many priests I met.

"Roberto has never pronounced those words.

"The catholic Church ended its dialogue with Roberto after he declared that being God The Omnipresent, He is everybody's Father and He is not property of any
religions."

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Well, what more can I say? I offer you my heartfelt congratulations on the occasion of your exposure of yet another piece of pro-SB propaganda. You would doubtless be aware that the above comment to which you objected was made by another Sai Baba devotee who is obviously familiar with the area of Swami Roberto, though obviously not familiar enough to speak the true fact.
 
Congratulations again for confirming Swami Roberto's supposed words that it is he who is the Father of all. I would expect that this means that he is setting himself up in direct rivalry to Sai Baba of Puttaparthi? After all, a lot of people are more than familiar with the insignia of the orange robe and the afro hairstyle, so Swami Roberto surely cannot claim to be original?

As mentioned earlier, through a ten-year period of devotion to Sathya Sai Baba I have seen quite a few 'luminaries' arise with the claim that they have been divinely empowered by Sathya Sai Baba to spread his message and love in their immediate environment of sorts. I am aware of Sri Bala Sai Baba, who incidentally claims to be the real Sai Baba and that the Puttaparthi Baba is the fake. I am aware of Swami Premananda, who reportedly performs Lingodbhavams in more or less the same style as Sathya Sai Baba, wears the same dress and hairstlye of the Puttaparthi Baba, and has also been jailed for rape. Now I have been made aware of Swami Roberto, the 'Italian Avatar.'

Not that I am concerned by Swami Roberto. He, of course, is free to do as he likes but I am more interested in the spiritual whereabouts of those who accept him as a divine personage of sorts.

I will leave you with a message from Sathya Sai Baba that was spoken in a discourse dated 14th January 1973:

"In the Bhagavatam, there is mention of a certain Poundraka, who sought to become a passable 'imitation,' of Krishna. He added unto his name the name of Krishna, viz., Vasudeva. He announced himself as Poundraka Vasudeva. He got made an imitation Conch and an imitation Wheel (out of wood) and carried them about, in his two artificial extra hands. He discovered the style which Krishna adopted while wearing his yellow silken robe and he scrupulously followed the same. He skilfully imitated the gait and gestures of Krishna. Some fools gathered round him, mistaking him to be the Lord they were seeking. His insanity finally brought about his downfall and humiliation.

"In this Kali Yuga also such imitations are cropping up just as Poundraka shaped himself into a Vasudeva. We have today even Sathya Sai Babas. They get the same type of robe stitched, they strain themselves to cultivate the crown of hair, they study photographs and hold their hands up very nearly like I do and make themselves ridiculous by frantic attempts to imitate Me. They forget that 'imitation is only human; but, Creation is Divine.' Those who attempt to become Sathya Sai Baba by this ludicrous process of imitation only destroy whatever faith some people have placed in the Divine. They are poisonous pests which injure the peace and harmony of society. They collect around themselves insects of like nature. For only birds of the same feather can flock together. These 'pretenders' fall into ruin themselves and bring ruin on the society where they operate, as the proverbial horde of monkeys that ruin themselves and bring ruin on the forest which they inhabit."

Regards,

Sanjay Dadlani


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Corrections

 

Dear Andries,

I've just received the following message and I realized that a statement of my previous posting has been misunderstood.

(begin quote:)

----- Original Message -----

From: "Sanjay Dadlani" dark_knight_9@yahoo.com

To: webmaster@animauniversale.it

Cc: ex-baba@hetnet.nl; sathyasaibabaexposeforum@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 1:28 AM

Subject: Re: ex-baba: Swami Roberto

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"Roberto has never pronounced those words.

"The catholic Church ended its dialogue with Roberto after he declared that being God The Omnipresent, He is everybody's Father and He is not property of any religions."

Congratulations again for confirming Swami Roberto's supposed words that it is he who is the Father of all.

...

Regards,

Sanjay Dadlani

(End quote)

Swami was not speaking of himself. Otherwise I would have written:  "...that being him God The Omnipresent..."

He pointed out that God is not exclusive property of any religions.

English is not my native language, so I didn't realized that my statement could be misunderstood.

Probably l could have written it better:

"The catholic Church ended its dialogue with Roberto after he declared that God is The Omnipresent, He is everybody's Father and He is not property of any religions."

I am sorry for the trouble and I kindly ask you if it is possible to correct my posting on the web, so as to make it clear.

Many thanks.

Riccardo